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		By: Deof Movestofca		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;While you are correct in pointing out that envy is a sin, your rationalization of greed tells only half the story.  There is no &quot;kind&quot; way to describe greed and it is more than simply wanting to &quot;improv[e] one&#039;s lot in life&quot;, for it is possible to achieve such a goal without greed.  The two- greed and envy- arise from the same impulse to treat things as more important than one&#039;s fellow human beings (envy, by wanting to take chat which does not pertain to one&#039;s self; greed, by hording goods while the basic needs of others go unmet).  Furthermore, you give no reason why, if one can moderate one&#039;s greed, why one can&#039;t also moderate one&#039;s envy as well.  Finally, what you call &quot;envy&quot;, others might term &quot;social justice&quot;, and this may be one of those times when the truth might lie somewhere between these two poles.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I will agree that simply changing the system isn&#039;t going to make a dent in the problem unless and until there is a similar change in people&#039;s hearts.  I would even go one step further: the latter change renders the former inconsequential, for where everyone truly loves his or her neighbor as one&#039;s self, it wouldn&#039;t matter whether the system is capitalist, communist, or otherwise.&lt;/p&gt;
@ &lt;p&gt;Susan (&quot;Also, as an aside, I keep hearing how there&#039;s hunger in this country, yet we&#039;re all obese and at risk for heart disease, etc. Story one says kids are hungry; story 2 says they are fat!! What does it mean?!?&quot;)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It means that some kids are overweight and others go hungry.  The two are not mutually exclusive.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you are correct in pointing out that envy is a sin, your rationalization of greed tells only half the story.  There is no &#8220;kind&#8221; way to describe greed and it is more than simply wanting to &#8220;improv[e] one&#8217;s lot in life&#8221;, for it is possible to achieve such a goal without greed.  The two- greed and envy- arise from the same impulse to treat things as more important than one&#8217;s fellow human beings (envy, by wanting to take chat which does not pertain to one&#8217;s self; greed, by hording goods while the basic needs of others go unmet).  Furthermore, you give no reason why, if one can moderate one&#8217;s greed, why one can&#8217;t also moderate one&#8217;s envy as well.  Finally, what you call &#8220;envy&#8221;, others might term &#8220;social justice&#8221;, and this may be one of those times when the truth might lie somewhere between these two poles.</p>
<p>But I will agree that simply changing the system isn&#8217;t going to make a dent in the problem unless and until there is a similar change in people&#8217;s hearts.  I would even go one step further: the latter change renders the former inconsequential, for where everyone truly loves his or her neighbor as one&#8217;s self, it wouldn&#8217;t matter whether the system is capitalist, communist, or otherwise.</p>
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<p>Susan (&#8220;Also, as an aside, I keep hearing how there&#8217;s hunger in this country, yet we&#8217;re all obese and at risk for heart disease, etc. Story one says kids are hungry; story 2 says they are fat!! What does it mean?!?&#8221;)</p>
<p>It means that some kids are overweight and others go hungry.  The two are not mutually exclusive.</p>
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		By: Susan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 03:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Good article.  Seems that &quot;inciting envy&quot; is really in vogue these days.  I&#039;ve always thought that one of the most important rights in our country to protect is the right of private ownership of property. From what I&#039;ve seen, most of the Wall Street protested are not starving and are not exactly poor, either.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Speaking of world hunger, have you ever heard of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Norman Borlaug&lt;/a&gt;?  I regret to say I never had until a few years ago. He was raised on a farm in Iowa. He probably was responsible for saving over 1 billion lives when he developed high yield and disease resistant grains.  By 1963, Mexico&#039;s wheat harvest was six times larger than in 1944. His new varieties were exported to India and Pakistan and India was self-sufficient in all grains by the 1970s I think.  This is something that others said would never happen.  Also, his &quot;Green Revolution&quot; as it&#039;s called, helped to prevent deforestation by increasing yields so people didn&#039;t have to clear so much land for crops.  He also had no patience with people who complained that third world countries shouldn&#039;t have access to modern farming techniques and instead get by on subsidence farming.  He explained that most of us here have never experienced real hunger and would be outraged if we were and someone was trying to deny us the tools we needed to grow more food.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is just one example of a person who used the gifts God gave to better their world.  People are still doing things like this.  My friend&#039;s daughter just graduated with a Masters in something and is going overseas to help develop water supplies for a third-world nation.  She has always been interested in that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When there&#039;s a natural disaster somewhere, people from here rush in to help.  Where I live here in Virginia, our rescue teams traveled to Haiti to help look for victims.  Someone from my church was a member of the team.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, as an aside, I keep hearing how there&#039;s hunger in this country, yet we&#039;re all obese and at risk for heart disease, etc. Story one says kids are hungry; story 2 says they are fat!! What does it mean?!?&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  Seems that &#8220;inciting envy&#8221; is really in vogue these days.  I&#8217;ve always thought that one of the most important rights in our country to protect is the right of private ownership of property. From what I&#8217;ve seen, most of the Wall Street protested are not starving and are not exactly poor, either.  </p>
<p>Speaking of world hunger, have you ever heard of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug" rel="nofollow">Norman Borlaug</a>?  I regret to say I never had until a few years ago. He was raised on a farm in Iowa. He probably was responsible for saving over 1 billion lives when he developed high yield and disease resistant grains.  By 1963, Mexico&#8217;s wheat harvest was six times larger than in 1944. His new varieties were exported to India and Pakistan and India was self-sufficient in all grains by the 1970s I think.  This is something that others said would never happen.  Also, his &#8220;Green Revolution&#8221; as it&#8217;s called, helped to prevent deforestation by increasing yields so people didn&#8217;t have to clear so much land for crops.  He also had no patience with people who complained that third world countries shouldn&#8217;t have access to modern farming techniques and instead get by on subsidence farming.  He explained that most of us here have never experienced real hunger and would be outraged if we were and someone was trying to deny us the tools we needed to grow more food.</p>
<p>This is just one example of a person who used the gifts God gave to better their world.  People are still doing things like this.  My friend&#8217;s daughter just graduated with a Masters in something and is going overseas to help develop water supplies for a third-world nation.  She has always been interested in that.</p>
<p>When there&#8217;s a natural disaster somewhere, people from here rush in to help.  Where I live here in Virginia, our rescue teams traveled to Haiti to help look for victims.  Someone from my church was a member of the team.  </p>
<p>Also, as an aside, I keep hearing how there&#8217;s hunger in this country, yet we&#8217;re all obese and at risk for heart disease, etc. Story one says kids are hungry; story 2 says they are fat!! What does it mean?!?</p>
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		By: BJ		</title>
		<link>https://www.anotherthink.com/contents/discovering_god/20111106_inciting_envy.html#comment-1954</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;We could easily solve world hunger by making God pay his taxes. &lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could easily solve world hunger by making God pay his taxes. </p>
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		By: star fisher		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[star fisher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;with 7 billion people in the world i dont think i am exaggerating at all when i say 1 billion are starving and or hungry. if you say that 1.5 million just children die from starvation. i guess if you dont die you dont get counted as one of the starving.millions of people around the world are starving and or hungry im sure at least a billion.and sure your america does give  a little food and aid but your government never does it for free. there allways money, oil or some kind of power at stake for the people.and the way to stop starvation is to make it so everybody is able to grow and produce there own food. there should be a salary cap and everything over that should go into the world fund to go toward fixing the planet that we have wrecked and teaching people how to sustain themselves where ever they are in the world. i think there are enough scientists and smarts out there to be able to figure this out. the one that should pay the most into this fund should be the one that have done the most damage. the oil companys the coal mines the car companys and so on. i dont know but something like that. and you know its not envy thats the problem its greed.when the poor person looks at the rich person and says i wish i had their food its not envy talking its hunger talking. and when everybody around the world realizes that we are all part of just one god than mabye we will start working together to make the planet a better place . thats what i am hoping for my children anyways.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with 7 billion people in the world i dont think i am exaggerating at all when i say 1 billion are starving and or hungry. if you say that 1.5 million just children die from starvation. i guess if you dont die you dont get counted as one of the starving.millions of people around the world are starving and or hungry im sure at least a billion.and sure your america does give  a little food and aid but your government never does it for free. there allways money, oil or some kind of power at stake for the people.and the way to stop starvation is to make it so everybody is able to grow and produce there own food. there should be a salary cap and everything over that should go into the world fund to go toward fixing the planet that we have wrecked and teaching people how to sustain themselves where ever they are in the world. i think there are enough scientists and smarts out there to be able to figure this out. the one that should pay the most into this fund should be the one that have done the most damage. the oil companys the coal mines the car companys and so on. i dont know but something like that. and you know its not envy thats the problem its greed.when the poor person looks at the rich person and says i wish i had their food its not envy talking its hunger talking. and when everybody around the world realizes that we are all part of just one god than mabye we will start working together to make the planet a better place . thats what i am hoping for my children anyways.</p>
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		By: Charlie		</title>
		<link>https://www.anotherthink.com/contents/discovering_god/20111106_inciting_envy.html#comment-1952</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your comment, Star. I&#039;d be interested to know where you found your evidence that &quot;billions starve&quot;? I do agree that the wealthy nations of the world should help the poor, but I think exaggerating the problem is not a way of persuading anyone. The World Health Organization says that 1.5 million children die every year from malnutrition. The US provides huge amounts of free food and other aid to the world&#039;s poorest countries, as do many other nations. How would you solve the problem of hunger?&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Star. I&#8217;d be interested to know where you found your evidence that &#8220;billions starve&#8221;? I do agree that the wealthy nations of the world should help the poor, but I think exaggerating the problem is not a way of persuading anyone. The World Health Organization says that 1.5 million children die every year from malnutrition. The US provides huge amounts of free food and other aid to the world&#8217;s poorest countries, as do many other nations. How would you solve the problem of hunger?</p>
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